tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post130115975352532835..comments2024-02-19T11:10:16.893-08:00Comments on Brown Moses Blog: The Syrian National Defence Force's Most Devastating Urban Combat WeaponBrown Moseshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-18882351589814715232013-11-19T18:48:28.836-08:002013-11-19T18:48:28.836-08:00A more modern version of the Bangalore Torpedo is ...A more modern version of the Bangalore Torpedo is the MK8 explosive hose and the M58 MICLIC. These two system are still being used today.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01718716337874488769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-34820889617597675072013-11-16T19:20:39.670-08:002013-11-16T19:20:39.670-08:00"...I do not understand what effect you want ..."...I do not understand what effect you want to achieve with this weapon..."<br /><br />Most of the thermobaric warheads used today are to kill people inside fortified structures. They use an intentionally extended blast wave that will easily penetrate into building openings and travel a greater distance through rooms, hallways and other passages. Damage caused to the structure is coincidental - they're not trying to blast through a concrete wall to get to the person on the other side. Fragmentation effects are also secondary. The overpressure from the blast is the primary lethal effect.<br /><br />For a relatively small thermobaric warhead (small-caliber mortar, shoulder-fired rocket), the blast effect is limited to enemy in a room or behind a relatively low obstacle. For larger warheads - like the 350mm 55L cans - a target would be more like the side of a multi-story structure. You could get a blast wave of several atmospheres beyond a couple hundred meters in the open. That blast wave would also be lethal to anyone in a windowed room on that side of a six-story building, including many of those further inside the building, in the basement or on the roof.<br /><br />If you wanted to do the same thing using an RPG, you would have to fire one through every facing window at the same time - maybe 50 for a six-story building. Even then, many people in the interior rooms, around a corner or in hallways might survive. <br /><br />"...because apart from the psychological effect on civilians..."<br /><br />Not the intent - large thermobarics are intended to kill everyone inside a fortified structure, not to scare people. If the SAA is being sniped from a bombed-out building in a ruined part of the city, they probably don't think there are any civilians there.<br /><br />"...one mortar mines of 120 mm is much more efficient and destructive in my opinion..."<br /><br />If you want to demolish the entire building floor by floor to clear it of people. I think they tried that the last year or so by the looks of many of those buildings. It's impractical to clear that much building (which may only have a few snipers and RPGs) by lobbing 120mm shells through the roof all day.<br /><br />Any MRLS would also do the job, but you would be doing almost the same thing from the side. Blasting the building to bits to make sure no enemy are still inside. You can't do that if you have 150 buildings to clear in a single neighborhood.<br /><br />Thermobaric weapons are the ideal weapons for this exact kind of conflict: well-concealed insurgents scattered among a lot of bombed-out multi-story concrete structures controlling the area by denial through their snipers. Attacking key structures with thermobarics lets you put your ground troops in the building to clear it relatively quickly. <br /><br />I would argue that the SAA wouldn't waste cannister-payload rockets on CW agents because they're just not effective for urban warfare - the negatives outweigh any tactical benefits. You would be far better off using the rockets to deliver FAE/thermobaric payloads which *do* serve a purpose that existing weapons (large-caliber mortars, artillery or rockets) do not provide. There are thermobaric versions of those, but they are relatively rare and not known to be part of Assad's arsenal.PavewayIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329924099308073556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-87874929994237194102013-11-16T18:21:53.620-08:002013-11-16T18:21:53.620-08:00Never heard of Tromblon mines - interesting. First...Never heard of Tromblon mines - interesting. First page that came back was a Serb site!<br /><br />http://www.mycity-military.com/Pesadijsko-naoruzanje-municija-i-oprema/tromblonska-mina-vs-40mm-granata_3.html<br /><br />http://www.mycity-military.com/Pesadijsko-naoruzanje-municija-i-oprema/Tromblonske-mine_3.html#p605505<br />PavewayIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329924099308073556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-35673581025454998852013-11-16T18:12:23.715-08:002013-11-16T18:12:23.715-08:00M1A1 Bangalore Torpedo
https://www.youtube.com/wa...M1A1 Bangalore Torpedo<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qFtlnw1L_Y<br /><br />http://www.wwiiboxes.co.uk/mysite2/images/Bangalore-Box-1.jpgPavewayIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329924099308073556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-13229998832733754242013-11-10T04:11:38.004-08:002013-11-10T04:11:38.004-08:00Against a concrete structure, what makes the bigge...Against a concrete structure, what makes the biggest effect is the amount of surface area the explosive has in contact with the structure, to couple a shockwave into it.<br /><br />So I think that these huge munitions will do the target structure about as much harm as the 290mm Petard rounds of WW2 (flying dustbins) but they will do very much more damage to surrounding structures and people by blast. The Petard round amounted really to the tip of one of these monsters, and that's the only bit of them that actually couples energy into the structure that is directly struck.<br /><br />Medawarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05119173935699236303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-59641319563116257992013-11-10T01:35:00.914-08:002013-11-10T01:35:00.914-08:00Me ha gustado mucho tu blog y te doy la enhorabuen...Me ha gustado mucho tu blog y te doy la enhorabuena por el trabajo que haces con el. Es estupendo.<br />Un saludo<br />Micky<br /><br />http://ejerciciofisicoybienestar.blogspot.com.es/<br /><br />http://motorafons.blogspot.com.es/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04716647195039998902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-4991667681921203252013-11-09T11:58:24.937-08:002013-11-09T11:58:24.937-08:00Strictly speaking, it was called a Petard, and one...Strictly speaking, it was called a Petard, and one of the dangers was "being hoist with his own petard". In WW2, the Royal Engineers had a Petard Gun on a modified Churchill tank which did the same sort of thing:<br /><br />http://www.strijdbewijs.nl/tanks/churchill/speceng.htm<br /><br />If you scroll down till you see one of the "Flying Dustbin" munitions, you'll see how that connects with these rocket munitions!<br /><br />The Petard mortar/gun was actually a spigot gun, which concept was used on everything from the PIAT projector at the small end, up to the LIMBO depth charge gun at the other.<br />Medawarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05119173935699236303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-45717237610917261562013-11-09T11:48:00.081-08:002013-11-09T11:48:00.081-08:00In WW1, a "two inch trench mortar" actua...In WW1, a "two inch trench mortar" actually lobbed a football-sized globe of explosive on the end of a two inch diameter stick that went into the mortar. Range was a couple of hundred yards at most. The propellent was ignited by a .303" blank, there were one ounce cordite propellent increments, with a black powder booster to make sure these ignited consistently. The firing mechanism literally was the action of a .303" SMLE No3, attached to 2" mortar tube.<br /><br />Sounds like a clumsy, old fashioned idea, till you see:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifleman%27s_Assault_Weapon<br /><br />Which is a remarkably similar concept from the 1990s. The only real difference is that the 5.56 mm blank ignites a small rocket.<br /><br />Medawarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05119173935699236303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-87046435585859570682013-11-09T08:25:26.406-08:002013-11-09T08:25:26.406-08:00Lob bombs are not new, at least 45 years old or pr...Lob bombs are not new, at least 45 years old or probably a lot older. The VC lobbed one at our company CP in 1968 on Go Noi Island. I still distinctly remember the taste of the dirt that I kissed when I hugged the ground that night. As I recall they also used them at several other places, Hill 55 for one. I forget where else.mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09123137206598163451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-71513330605203198362013-11-09T06:38:14.903-08:002013-11-09T06:38:14.903-08:00The Syrian opposition has a long track record of u...The Syrian opposition has a long track record of using incorrect language to describe munitions ("barrel bombs" is an alternative example), and I've seen multiple examples of various high explosive weaponry being described as "vacuum bombs", not just ODABs.Brown Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-84083128351271182252013-11-09T05:38:37.777-08:002013-11-09T05:38:37.777-08:00I suspect that these weapons and there is not a la...I suspect that these weapons and there is not a large effect, and not intimidate the enemy on both sidesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-52377565299638234642013-11-09T05:31:09.379-08:002013-11-09T05:31:09.379-08:00))) wtf u talking about, helping with what and wha...))) wtf u talking about, helping with what and what Brits U saw here, I'm from CroatiaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-85368231803241236822013-11-09T02:57:03.367-08:002013-11-09T02:57:03.367-08:00perhaps think of it as a mine on a rocket?
Instea...perhaps think of it as a mine on a rocket?<br /><br />Instead of sending an engineer in with an explosive mine to blow up a building you fire the explosive mine at the building with a short-range rocket.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-70210052070335255052013-11-09T01:48:57.594-08:002013-11-09T01:48:57.594-08:00yeah..something like Bangalore or elseyeah..something like Bangalore or elseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-43937077810714533482013-11-09T01:24:38.261-08:002013-11-09T01:24:38.261-08:00come on, please, not so much censored to keep to t...come on, please, not so much censored to keep to the point and eliminated and thrown in a garbage heap ... here in the Balkans we had a horrible and unimaginable crimes war machines designed for grinding meat, but it's not a big mystery that people end up in dump becauseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-84966153167568133442013-11-09T01:16:07.449-08:002013-11-09T01:16:07.449-08:00I remember the U.S. troops in the siege house bunk...I remember the U.S. troops in the siege house bunkers where they were hidden sons of Saddam Hussein used TOW missiles in IraqAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-48605666354125397832013-11-09T01:13:42.865-08:002013-11-09T01:13:42.865-08:00we at war in Croatia 1991-1995 we used Tromblon mi...we at war in Croatia 1991-1995 we used Tromblon mines against serb Bunkers and cumulative anti-tank hand grenades, and that was enough to be cast out, and that they inflict on victims, but use something like this massively against the structures which contain the enemy .. hm ... then the enemy is obviously very dangerous and well hiddenAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-17092912536877289452013-11-09T01:10:24.896-08:002013-11-09T01:10:24.896-08:00I. emembred now in movie Pvt Ryan Us soldiers they...I. emembred now in movie Pvt Ryan Us soldiers they used a rod filled with explosives that were pushed under the barbed wire to the German bunkers and then detonate them with a wick and the rods then destroy obstacles and bunkers...i I forgot the name of that weaponAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-80854464329015207712013-11-09T01:06:39.552-08:002013-11-09T01:06:39.552-08:00like flametrover or simillar weapon but with stron...like flametrover or simillar weapon but with strong destructive power against bunkers...is that correct C. WoodAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-17232665059422418032013-11-08T18:17:14.959-08:002013-11-08T18:17:14.959-08:00Anything I know about the tools of death used in t...Anything I know about the tools of death used in the Middle East come from the most heavily censored and sanitized war in U.S. history: the Iraq war. If you're a U.S. citizen and post too many uncomfortable facts about *that* atrocity, then they'll eventually find your body in a dumpster in some New Jersey landfill.PavewayIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329924099308073556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-7529815034882404132013-11-08T17:13:04.961-08:002013-11-08T17:13:04.961-08:00It's an infantry weapon and only part-time art...It's an infantry weapon and only part-time artillery so it doesn't equate to heavy mortars or howitzers or MRLS - which are artillery weapons.<br /><br />It works at infantry fighting distances typically up to 500m but often closer.<br /><br />Think of it as the heavy missile equivalent of a recoilless rifle but that has been designed for attacking structures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-41208803268969580302013-11-08T14:57:02.695-08:002013-11-08T14:57:02.695-08:00Quote " Nobody makes rocket motors in their ... Quote " Nobody makes rocket motors in their garage that are *the least bit* relevant here. Just sayin". <br /><br />Paveway Mk IV; First let me say thank you and next where have you been the last two months, I could of used some help in convincing folks of exactly what you stated. I am glad that finally, someone is starting get it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01718716337874488769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-79357561006002006722013-11-08T13:58:22.032-08:002013-11-08T13:58:22.032-08:00what is purpose of ESKIMO-107????what is purpose of ESKIMO-107????Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-67870044010909342812013-11-08T13:54:05.800-08:002013-11-08T13:54:05.800-08:00I do not understand what effect you want to achiev...I do not understand what effect you want to achieve with this weapon because apart from the psychological effect on civilians nothing else this weapon can do, one mortar mines of 120 mm is much more efficient and destructive in my opinion, especially missiles from vMRLS, however much stronger psychologically effect has a single salvo from MMRLS or gunfire from Shilka, I do not jsano what we want to achieve these weapons unless it is not in their bracket warheads of a nerve agentAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-89612379821568604612013-11-08T13:33:11.199-08:002013-11-08T13:33:11.199-08:00DIY rockets with larger warheads of that type have...DIY rockets with larger warheads of that type have been used by the opposition since late 2012, Kristen Chick mentions them in this CSM article she wrote back in November 2012, on page two <br />http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/1116/Where-Syria-s-opposition-groups-get-their-rockets-videoBrown Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.com