tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post8109261440456216966..comments2024-02-19T11:10:16.893-08:00Comments on Brown Moses Blog: Evidence Chlorine Gas Was Used In A Second, Failed, Chemical Attack On Kafr ZitaBrown Moseshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-1507650831412411402014-05-03T16:47:42.503-07:002014-05-03T16:47:42.503-07:00The barrels were dropped from a helicopter.Neither...The barrels were dropped from a helicopter.Neither Al-Nussra or any rebel group got a chance to fly anything.<br />Let Moses do what he does best! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08160589646834680082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-71816046435789672152014-04-24T02:18:08.885-07:002014-04-24T02:18:08.885-07:00Still, to be fair and accurate, we have no proof o...Still, to be fair and accurate, we have no proof of the helicopter dropping that specific barrel bomb... Fighting Demonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09920558441555054196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-25432488283845098472014-04-23T14:58:23.082-07:002014-04-23T14:58:23.082-07:00Gimli, only %80 of the CWs declared have been remo...Gimli, only %80 of the CWs declared have been removed, so your point is moot. We have videos of Assad air-force dropping a barrel-bomb, a huge toxic gas cloud hovering, and then dozens injured or killed by apparent chemical poisoning, and you respond with silly excuses and flat-out misrepresentations.... I wonder where your bias lies.<br /><br />Same excuses for mass-murder and use of CWs by the Assad regime; "the SAA is making gains, so they don't need to..." This is a non-sequitur. The SAA is losing ground in other places, so according to your logic, they've got every reason to use CWs, right Gimli?Marcus XLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15080424632299554734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-82689622061470482622014-04-16T12:42:54.902-07:002014-04-16T12:42:54.902-07:00Bro, i LOVE conspiracy theories as much as the nex...Bro, i LOVE conspiracy theories as much as the next man... And i'm certain rebels to be engaged in black propaganda. But USA supplying ISIS with trucks?! That's just preposterous. Fighting Demonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09920558441555054196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-17402850505317003192014-04-15T17:03:29.422-07:002014-04-15T17:03:29.422-07:00Take a look at this picture. You see what is ISIL...Take a look at this picture. You see what is ISIL members aboard a truck, but this is not just any truck. Its a Toyota Tacoma which is made in Fremont California and only sold in the United States. Overseas they have the Hilux truck.<br /><br />http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2014/04/16/isil-running-amok-in-mideast<br /><br />There are stories on the internet of US special forces using Tacomas:<br /><br />http://www.brian894x4.com/MilitaryTacoma.html<br /><br />So these were either stolen from the Iraqis or the United States gave them to ISIL. Mike Nodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01558012352374432803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-21488278912297180402014-04-14T03:04:30.377-07:002014-04-14T03:04:30.377-07:00Let me clarify. There are many different possibil...Let me clarify. There are many different possibilities and scenarios. There is no way to be absolutely certain about what is taking place in Syria. The one thing we do know is that neither side is "good" or the "right side". In fact, I think a Syria ruled by Al-Nusra or ISIL is probably much worse then one ruled by Assad. <br /><br />Everyone is bad here, nobody is good...Mike Nodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01558012352374432803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-82999042878967859972014-04-14T01:08:16.696-07:002014-04-14T01:08:16.696-07:00In one part you're denying the regime was behi...In one part you're denying the regime was behind the attack, but in the other you're actually confirming that they possibly attacked an ISIS children training camp based on ground intelligence.<br />Doesn't make sense bro!Fighting Demonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09920558441555054196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-78225430997822571662014-04-13T15:11:39.028-07:002014-04-13T15:11:39.028-07:00Sorry for so many comments, but this blogging plat...Sorry for so many comments, but this blogging platform does not allow for editing.<br /><br />The terminal velocity of an object tossed from a helicopter is about 125 mph. I am not a physics guy and I obtained that number by googling it. Correct me if I am wrong. In other videos we always see the mass falling and the rebels always show the helicopter tracking it through the sky. In this video, we see no helicopter and no falling mass. The rebel filming the video (nice that he is using 1080p for a change instead of that old scratchy cell phone) seems to know something is about to happen. Why doesnt the rebel pan up towards the helicopter or airplane like they have done in many other videos?<br /><br />I am more likely to believe this was a ground explosion of a planted bomb rather then a barrel bomb from a helicopter. Another conclusion is the rebels planted a chlorine gas cylinder with explosives attached and detonated it. <br /><br />One thing to note about the Kafir Zita attack was that was a military target. Those children were not innocent children which you might see going to an elementary school in the United States. Looking at the ISIL and Nusra videos, they train their children as soldiers sometimes attaching suicide bombs to them. Why were so many children gathered in one place? In my neighborhood here, they do not just mass children in one place to sleep all night long. These were platoons of child soldiers and I believe the Syrians were acting on that intelligence.Mike Nodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01558012352374432803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-68877115021785548112014-04-13T14:56:48.292-07:002014-04-13T14:56:48.292-07:00Here is what the Chlorine gas cylinders from Norin...Here is what the Chlorine gas cylinders from Norinco look like.<br /><br />http://www.hydramet.com.au/cmn/custom/17/125/23391/Port%20Lincoln_w1200.JPG<br /><br />Basically, these are cylinders used for water purification. Note the yellow paint on the outside of the cylinder. Basically, they rigged a yellow chlorine gas cylinder, intended for a water purification plant, with explosives and used that as a barrel bomb.Mike Nodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01558012352374432803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-5029748237427814132014-04-13T14:51:47.578-07:002014-04-13T14:51:47.578-07:00Norinco does manufacture chlorine gas cylinders fo...Norinco does manufacture chlorine gas cylinders for the purposes of water treatment and water purification. Norinco does have an arm which manufactures military weapons, but I would not know if they manufacture chemical weapons although it is possible. <br /><br />There are many different possibilities. The Syrian Army could have used an empty Chlorine cylinder accidentally to deliver an explosive load. They could have used a full chlorine cylinder to deliver that load. The use of the chlorine cylinder could have been purposefully planned by the highest officer ranks or something that the enlisted through together from some extra water purification cylinders.<br /><br />The explosion in the video has no flame just smoke. Obviously there wasnt a lot of explosive used. Towards the middle of the video you do start to see what seems like a greenish gas and that greenish gas seems to linger. The actual smoke from the explosion rises, but the chlorine gas is heavier then the air and so that seems to linger in a cloud on the ground.<br /><br />I am wondering why they decided to use this crewd method of chemical warfare. It seemed like the air-fuel bombs were offering a more devastating effect. Also they face attention from the international authorities for using such weapons. I am not sure of the logic involved, but this was not a good move on their part. The bomb produced some nauseating effects with injuries and some deaths, but nothing what the air-fuel bombs have caused in ways of death or destruction.Mike Nodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01558012352374432803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-28631611442066681402014-04-13T13:38:59.296-07:002014-04-13T13:38:59.296-07:00This Id like to see Elliot answer this.
Elliot yo...This Id like to see Elliot answer this. <br />Elliot you base everything on:<br />"Reports from the !!Kafr Zita media centre claims!! the cylinder was inside a DIY barrel bomb..."Big Mohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06230054345868432627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-53160751247528889562014-04-13T11:48:01.786-07:002014-04-13T11:48:01.786-07:00Which is why I specifically describe the first vid...Which is why I specifically describe the first video as being from April 11th, and the other videos from a separate attack on April 12th?Brown Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-66446409579542759612014-04-13T09:59:03.468-07:002014-04-13T09:59:03.468-07:00A couple things about the video.
1. The video se...A couple things about the video.<br /><br />1. The video seems to show two separate detonation events.<br /><br /> a. If you stop frame the video at about 3/4 seconds (must play with it to get the right frame) you will see two distinct flashes separated by a few milliseconds.<br /><br /> b. If you continue with the remainder of the video you will also see two distinct/separate rising plumes.<br /><br /> c. The color of the plume clouds indicate that they where both caused by the high order detonation of high explosives. Now chlorine may have also been present but most of it would have likely been consumed by the detonation events.<br /><br />2. There are a couple of ways that this duel detonation event could be accomplished/orchestrated but I will let the experts figure that out. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01718716337874488769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-67479656282888478492014-04-13T09:56:16.162-07:002014-04-13T09:56:16.162-07:00There's no evidence the first video and the ot...There's no evidence the first video and the other photos/videos are even connected in time and space. You are not even trying to appear objective. Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17271741496384886617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-37714229408528683132014-04-13T06:58:41.646-07:002014-04-13T06:58:41.646-07:00Yeah completely agree. In fact let's run the &...Yeah completely agree. In fact let's run the "drop" video frame by frame and see if there's an actual mass being dropped. <br />Countless videos showing the barrel bomb being dropped from start to finish and yet this one only shows the blast. <br />If i'm to believe this i need the video UNCUTFighting Demonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09920558441555054196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-55065279462173267402014-04-13T06:12:26.633-07:002014-04-13T06:12:26.633-07:00You and I don't know answer to that, pure spec...You and I don't know answer to that, pure speculation.Gimlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315532498202987623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-31111652580626257802014-04-13T05:58:47.071-07:002014-04-13T05:58:47.071-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.ALFACINOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09308418377507683164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-66766698627429576852014-04-13T05:45:00.779-07:002014-04-13T05:45:00.779-07:00correction: 100% of *declared* CW are under contro...correction: 100% of *declared* CW are under control (a "fact" i doubt anyway). there will be enough undeclared material left to stop rebel offensives at any pointEINHEITSKANZLERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03981266495193604214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-13120805974810502552014-04-13T04:43:55.723-07:002014-04-13T04:43:55.723-07:00So could have the rebels you see my point , you se...So could have the rebels you see my point , you seem to forget rebels have control of chlorine facility near aleppo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-87133638023825219342014-04-13T04:34:25.628-07:002014-04-13T04:34:25.628-07:00You've missed my point, there's no suggest...You've missed my point, there's no suggestion this is a weaponised form of chlorine, they could have just got it from an industrial site and stuck it inside a barrel bomb. Brown Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-82859961163665535342014-04-13T04:15:50.356-07:002014-04-13T04:15:50.356-07:00"Chlorine is an industrial chemical, so it..."Chlorine is an industrial chemical, so it's not exactly unique to Syria's chemical weapon programme."<br /><br />Your missing the point I've made in my earlier reply.Syria's CW are under OPCW control not the regimes, and as Ive said already Army hasn't had to use any source of CW recently in its gains.Gimlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315532498202987623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-75072781357475744752014-04-13T04:13:16.377-07:002014-04-13T04:13:16.377-07:00"One also has to wonder how much State TV'..."One also has to wonder how much State TV's claims Jabhat al-Nusra was responsible is influenced by Seymour Hersh's recent claims Jabhat al-Nusra were responsible for the August 21st Sarin attack."<br /><br /><br />Nothing to do with this latest claim..<br />Gimlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315532498202987623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-34872363410215188572014-04-13T04:11:20.518-07:002014-04-13T04:11:20.518-07:00Supermo
Indeed we only have activists claim it wa...Supermo<br /><br />Indeed we only have activists claim it was dropped by helicopter no video ,no other source other than activists oh and my favourite propaganda source SOHR..writer of this blog defending the rebels..Gimlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315532498202987623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-28737519427640312392014-04-13T03:43:43.632-07:002014-04-13T03:43:43.632-07:00Is it a fact that the helicopter dropped it? A vid...Is it a fact that the helicopter dropped it? A video with explosion is no proof Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17877410070391805644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-41350890139584395112014-04-13T03:23:58.397-07:002014-04-13T03:23:58.397-07:00Chlorine is an industrial chemical, so it's no...Chlorine is an industrial chemical, so it's not exactly unique to Syria's chemical weapon programme. Maybe you can explain how Jabhat al-Nusra dropped the barrel from a helicopter?Brown Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.com