tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post488523504368636195..comments2024-02-19T11:10:16.893-08:00Comments on Brown Moses Blog: The Syrian National Defence Force Provides More Evidence Linking The Government To The August 21st Sarin AttacksBrown Moseshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-88032644582032056012013-11-09T03:08:07.705-08:002013-11-09T03:08:07.705-08:00Ha ha! Modern? Seems like they're quite proud ...Ha ha! Modern? Seems like they're quite proud of their medieval rocket design department. On the other hand, and more importantly: they show complete negligence about the CW-attack-link. This can be interpreted in a number of ways - 1. They don't care. 2. The link to the CW-attack is maybe not as strong as we think. Amund Hesbølhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989927930117347129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-68246131783375056112013-11-09T02:41:38.266-08:002013-11-09T02:41:38.266-08:00In case there's any doubt about the 2nd video ...In case there's any doubt about the 2nd video being the Syrian military, Damascus based SAMA TV showed the footage, describing them as a "modern warhead" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03YkXY28N60Brown Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-27054432529180112512013-11-09T02:25:37.136-08:002013-11-09T02:25:37.136-08:00I would think that the increased payload (x4) comb...I would think that the increased payload (x4) combined with the vast increase of drag - would change the characteristics of the rocket launch - maybe a lot more smoke is seen because of the slower start? Imagine a fully loaded Zil-truck trying to climb a 45 degree hill. The poor rocket is under a lot of pressure...Amund Hesbølhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989927930117347129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-62156540742442258612013-11-09T00:35:31.994-08:002013-11-09T00:35:31.994-08:00Easily a 220mm rocket motor. The guy could stick h...Easily a 220mm rocket motor. The guy could stick his head inside and have room to spare.PavewayIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329924099308073556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-72832381484956649022013-11-09T00:32:09.950-08:002013-11-09T00:32:09.950-08:00http://www.edepro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/R...http://www.edepro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/R122_G2000_Cargo.pdf<br /><br />Nozzle covers are illustrated on pages 3 - 5 in yellow and orange.<br /><br />http://www.geo-army.ge/files/BM-21%20GRAD%20-.pdf<br /><br />Black and white pictures (low quality) on pages 20 and 27.<br /><br />http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d84_1373551623<br /><br />FSA Bongo Grad fest. There's a few blurry views of the Syrian red nozzle cap. There may be a second smaller individual red knob in the middle that serves as a contact cover. These red knobbed ones may belong to Grad-1's (upgrade from original Grad).<br /><br />http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_vehicles_system_artillery_uk/bm-21_grad_multiple_rocket_launcher_system_ural_6x6_truck_technical_data_sheet_description_uk.html<br /><br />Images #21 and #22 show the red nozzle cover version without the extra cap.<br /><br />220mm Uragans are being loaded without the external 'nozzle' cover below - the only cover you see is an internal one. I would think they're shipped with something like a Grad nozzle cover. In any case, the SAA painted theirs light blue-grey with the rest of the rocket.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=162Uq7lj7QQPavewayIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329924099308073556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-48101235395052533422013-11-09T00:13:50.001-08:002013-11-09T00:13:50.001-08:00CW, Thanks to describe this about the smoke, I did...CW, Thanks to describe this about the smoke, I didn't know that. The smoke is a disadvantage for a missiles, there should be a reason for doing on that way. What do you think is it possible to "boost up" a smaller engine so much to can carry this big warhead?efFlh43https://www.blogger.com/profile/17589489070675971899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-40899344838067876422013-11-08T18:54:55.145-08:002013-11-08T18:54:55.145-08:00Smoke doesn't mean poor quality. It means high...Smoke doesn't mean poor quality. It means high aluminium powder content - which improves the combustion and energy output.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-41088712634792768262013-11-08T16:02:08.877-08:002013-11-08T16:02:08.877-08:00I think it's because "Eskimo" in som...I think it's because "Eskimo" in some countries (Luccum, who might be russian coined it) is a type of ice-cream(?) with a similar shape as the munition. Big thing on a stick. So, Eskimo might be descriptive, but its not universal. This big munition is also linked to the chemical attack, because of its smaller sibling. I think UMLACA is an ok term. There are still a lot of unknown things about it. Amund Hesbølhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989927930117347129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-79796474944604172142013-11-08T13:26:20.795-08:002013-11-08T13:26:20.795-08:00Huh? I don't understand how "Eskimo"...Huh? I don't understand how "Eskimo" is descriptive - could you explain?Noha307https://www.blogger.com/profile/00370569155512909375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-91377222444982877652013-11-08T10:20:27.173-08:002013-11-08T10:20:27.173-08:00I also made some search on this rocket engine, and...I also made some search on this rocket engine, and related to this post, here are some thing that i found. May some part already was told here before, but i try to focus on new things.<br /><br />- The launcher truck is the same as we seen in the first launching video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6CZtF6pGvQ ), but now with a different loader truck. Also the "crane"s are placed at the rear of the truck which is very rare. The crane looks very short so mabye it's came from an engineer vehicle or something.<br /><br />- They probably are around or at the Mezzeh Military Airfield, because the terrain and the vegetation looks very similar.<br /><br />- The rocket engine have 2 cover. At 0:24 (but also in the whole first video), it can be clearly see that the rocket nozzle has a red cover, which were removed as soon as it was loaded to the launcher. Below that we seen a grey cover. The second cover will be removed when the rocket is at the firing position and ready to fire. <br /><br />- The firing working on remote way, probably with the white/yellow wire. This wire can be found on the first launch video at the (4:44, and watch the guy who walk in from the left).<br /><br />- About the exact type of the rocket engine I have no idea, but I think it's manufactured by Iran, and some poor quality of fuel material lead to the lot of smoke.efFlh43https://www.blogger.com/profile/17589489070675971899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-46926787272958899122013-11-08T00:47:02.309-08:002013-11-08T00:47:02.309-08:00My translator says that in the second video the UM...My translator says that in the second video the UMLACA is described as Syrian made, the first clue to it's origin.Brown Moseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-4176194090897218632013-11-07T18:13:23.412-08:002013-11-07T18:13:23.412-08:00CW, yes it could very well be the Fadjr 3 rocket m...CW, yes it could very well be the Fadjr 3 rocket motor and all the measurements/nozzle design/doubler are also consistence with the estimated size/design of the jumbo Eskimo. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01718716337874488769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-86577950690803334082013-11-07T16:02:48.611-08:002013-11-07T16:02:48.611-08:00Amund,
The thicker part on the jumbo Eskimo may b...Amund,<br /><br />The thicker part on the jumbo Eskimo may be the start of a doubler - an extra sheath where it connects to the payload to handle aerodynamic sideways forces on the tail.<br /><br />The motor in the jumbo Eskimo could easily be from an Iranian Fadjr3 240mm missile - which has a 3.842m fuel section, a 465mm nozzle section, and the same wrap-around fin arrangement that the 122mm Grad does. The Fadjr 3 is fin stabilised.<br /><br />Also, the Fadjr 3 has a 4 second burn time (all data are from the manufacturer www.diomil.ir)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-63801922029933133892013-11-07T16:01:03.922-08:002013-11-07T16:01:03.922-08:00Amund Hesbøl
— The Uragan seems to fit the bill.
...<i>Amund Hesbøl<br />— The Uragan seems to fit the bill.</i><br /><br />Engine "Zar-Eskimo" is very similar to 9M27F, but this is not it - the Soviet missiles not smoke as much as their Middle Eastern twins:<br /><br /><i>http://youtu.be/0m6Qlf0lt6M?t=49s</i><br /><br />And they have different nozzle caps:<br /><br /><i>http://youtu.be/fwqJHv9vGyA?t=36s</i>Lucumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07601047267335818966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-44290450261781590282013-11-07T15:28:51.577-08:002013-11-07T15:28:51.577-08:00The Uragan seems to fit the bill. Uragan means Hur...The Uragan seems to fit the bill. Uragan means Hurricane in russian, by the way. And Grad means Hail. The meterological naming is no coincidence; the Uragan is simply a bigger version of the Grad - except the Uragan is spin stabilised as well as fin-stabilized. I'm sure there are plenty of good shots of the nozzle cap, as this rocket is usually fired from a truck array. <br /><br />http://splav.org/en/arms/uragan/m27f.asp<br /><br />The above illustration shows a thicker section midway in the rocket engine section. This section can also be spotted in the new material, suggesting that the rocket does not have an external, Syrian made casing - only a bolt on fin-assembly. This may be the case with the small UMLACA as well. Amund Hesbølhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989927930117347129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-38088330649346134362013-11-07T13:58:55.523-08:002013-11-07T13:58:55.523-08:00Luccum,
The jumbo Eskimo seems to be sized for 50...Luccum,<br /><br />The jumbo Eskimo seems to be sized for 500 kg TNT payload. i.e. more bang than a FAB-500 and nearly as large as a Scud-D<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-26004864739084597372013-11-07T12:26:48.733-08:002013-11-07T12:26:48.733-08:00The heading of the original video on the Ndf site ...The heading of the original video on the Ndf site says it is being fired at insurgent gatherings at the Tameco Pharmaceutical Factory which is the east of a damascus rural area. If the launch site can be identified then this would give the range of the Jumbo Eskimo. Does not help with your obsession with sarin, these are clearly not chemical weapons, I don't think many crew would swing this thing about on a sling unless they were your suicidal jihadi friends.Don85https://www.blogger.com/profile/15846575091691208882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-7328304417368925722013-11-07T09:50:00.619-08:002013-11-07T09:50:00.619-08:00Warhead caliber - 570 mm, diameter engine part ~ 2...Warhead caliber - 570 mm, diameter engine part ~ 226 mm.<br /><br />• 220 mm - 9M27F "Uragan" <i>(Weight 280 kg, Payload 100 kg, Range 35 km)</i>Lucumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07601047267335818966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-46810343086386907202013-11-07T07:16:34.210-08:002013-11-07T07:16:34.210-08:00to Brown Moses: could you please start posting upd...to Brown Moses: could you please start posting updates on the progress of the front lines? Ramp up for a military offensives etc? I think you focus too much time on the chemical weapons issues. Increasing I don't find anything interesting on your blog, it's just sarin, sarin, sarin... and even this is updated every now and then. I know this is important but most people don't have much doubts about who did gas the innocent people. But we have no clue how this war is actually going.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-9540524184205658602013-11-07T06:26:38.202-08:002013-11-07T06:26:38.202-08:00Some interesting stuff here about the Grad 2000. I...Some interesting stuff here about the Grad 2000. Its a refurbished Grad with a range of 40km+. <br /><br />http://www.edepro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/R122_G2000_Cargo.pdf Amund Hesbølhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989927930117347129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-9454637440962541932013-11-07T06:13:18.698-08:002013-11-07T06:13:18.698-08:00Luccum did a measurement based on the truck wheel ...Luccum did a measurement based on the truck wheel here:http://luccum.blogspot.no/2013/10/different-tail.html<br /><br />570mm calibre. This should be possible to verify now, since this new material is far superior. The big UMLACA seems to be an exact upscale of the small UMLACA, for which we know all dimensions. Amund Hesbølhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989927930117347129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-75003507132152395082013-11-07T05:29:36.944-08:002013-11-07T05:29:36.944-08:00plese look at this picture from ww2 - anti submari...plese look at this picture from ww2 - anti submarine mines<br /><br />http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Hedgehog_anti-submarine_mortar.jpg/781px-Hedgehog_anti-submarine_mortar.jpgAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-18871708857943317312013-11-07T04:48:51.568-08:002013-11-07T04:48:51.568-08:00http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/69919000/jpg...http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/69919000/jpg/_69919631_chem_weapon_disposal_top_624.jpg<br /><br />http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/69919000/jpg/_69919633_chem_weapon_disposal_base_624.jpgAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-71275935415974723462013-11-07T04:38:38.961-08:002013-11-07T04:38:38.961-08:00I'll find something very very similar to our m...I'll find something very very similar to our misterious rockets --- so It's a type of rocket that has been used all over the place, and modified and built in Russia for years. Similar to the BM-14 series of rockets, and equipped with MS-14-style chemical warheads.It's a type of rocket that has been used all over the place, and modified and built in Russia for years. <br /><br />http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/130828_SLUFAEhome2.jpgAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595976399750114689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-37263088984371737292013-11-07T04:36:59.898-08:002013-11-07T04:36:59.898-08:00General observation on the rocket motor. The rock...General observation on the rocket motor. The rocket motor tube outside diameter (OD) is definitely larger then its little brother and the rocket motor is also longer. Without measurements its hard to tell how much bigger this particular rocket motor is. Here is just one possibility. <br />Rocket motor (maybe); The rocket motor contained in the gray tube could possibly be a modified 220mm 9m27F URAGAN or variant. This would be an increase of about 100mm (4-inches) in OD over the smaller UMLACA rocket motor. This initial "best/first guess" is based on;<br />1. What other rocket motors are widely available in Syria, which the URAGAN appears to be.<br />2. Approximate rocket motor length (over 3 meters).<br />3. Approximate OD increase of 100mm overt the smaller UMLACA rocket motor.<br />4. Rocket motor nozzle plug design and outer most external nozzle cap color (red cap; see referenced video; stop frame at 24 seconds). Most of the weight of my initial observations is placed on item 4.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01718716337874488769noreply@blogger.com