tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post6385519436523869110..comments2024-02-19T11:10:16.893-08:00Comments on Brown Moses Blog: Why Nigel Farage Has It All Wrong: Smoking Guns, Hexamine, And Syrian SarinBrown Moseshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17562126209980810351noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-73418534211530383092014-04-17T09:52:57.665-07:002014-04-17T09:52:57.665-07:00Information that the rebels not the Syrian govt us...Information that the rebels not the Syrian govt used Sarin has been in the public domain for a while.( Since December 2013) Curious that the mass media have continued to peddle the untruths and propaganda served up by mainstream politicans. The highly respected author, Seymour Hersh who has serious contacts in the intelligence agencies exposed the truth in his book Whose Sarin? http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarinOllie Odebunmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933569200154859399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-36922382597720342692014-04-09T02:59:08.898-07:002014-04-09T02:59:08.898-07:00When hexamine reacts with HF, it forms a liquid co...When hexamine reacts with HF, it forms a liquid compound - perfluoridated HTMA - not a salt. It forms the expected n-chloride salt when it reacts with HCl.<br /><br />Does your expert have a reference for perfluoridated HTMA's insolubility in DF / isopropyl? It's somewhat dense, but I've only ever heard of it stratifying in a HF / HTMA synthesis. It's certainly soluble in saline and water - they use it for the oxygen carrier in artificial blood.PavewayIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329924099308073556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-89613261402954846872014-04-06T13:45:59.642-07:002014-04-06T13:45:59.642-07:00NYT Backs Off Its Syria-Sarin Analysis
http://con...NYT Backs Off Its Syria-Sarin Analysis<br /><br />http://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/29/nyt-backs-off-its-syria-sarin-analysis/<br /><br />This is good article throws doubt on original claim it was regime.Gimlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05315532498202987623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-58333547600246750332014-04-05T18:27:09.082-07:002014-04-05T18:27:09.082-07:00Analysis of this post on the WhoGhouta blog:
http:...Analysis of this post on the WhoGhouta blog:<br />http://whoghouta.blogspot.com/2014/04/hexamine-again.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-56468640114855390652014-04-05T04:55:41.163-07:002014-04-05T04:55:41.163-07:00These blogs and articles are fully good enough for...These blogs and articles are fully good enough for me.<br /><a href="http://www.vividsmoke.com/devices/variable-voltage/vision-spinner-650mah-rainbow-battery.html" rel="nofollow">vision spinner rainbow</a>Leonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04144499430392121542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-58879955133156565012014-04-04T04:04:48.833-07:002014-04-04T04:04:48.833-07:00Seriously, Dan...
"...The lack of compelling...Seriously, Dan...<br /><br />"...The lack of compelling alternative narratives helps to reinforce the conclusion..."<br /><br />Confirmation bias, much? No - the lack of compelling alternative narratives means you have a reasonably educated guess, but nobody speaking publicly really knows with any certainty. One hopes the OPCW knows, but they apparently have little intention of telling anybody. Their expertise seems to lean more towards bureaucracy, obfuscation and politics nowadays. Then again, maybe they just don't know either. Thank god Assad didn't declare 20000mT of deionized water as a precursor chemical.<br /><br /><br />"...Other attempts to come up with a logical explanation for hexamine are based on some combination of wishful thinking, stretches in credibility, and/or faulty chemistry..."<br /><br />You speak as if there are several other theories out there - do tell. have not heard of *any* other reasonable explanation. I initially suggested the possibility of acid scavenging in crude sulphur mustard, but that wasn't reasonable. It doesn't nearly explain a stock of 80mT of hexamine given Syria's declared mustard. They simply would never have used that much unless they were producing hundreds of additional tons of new, undistilled mustard for some reason.<br /><br />It's even less likely that they would need that much for some mystery Sarin manufacturing process considering the quantity of raw/finished stocks of Sarin they declared. If they were ramping up *new* production facilities, I would expect to see far more and greater quantities of precursors. Hexamine isn't even that difficult to manufacture - there would be no need to stockpile tons of it for a production process 'just in case' when nearly all the other precursors are far more difficult to manufacture or obtain quickly.<br /><br />"...Nobody’s used hexamine previously as a Sarin additive..."<br /><br />So are you suggesting that 80mT was all for post-production acid scavenging? I could see some intermediate industrial-scale production step potentially using quantities of hexamine, but they are apparently already using the well-known and effective amine as post-production scavenger. Additional hexamine used for some reason post-production would be in the kg range for their Sarin stocks, not in the mT-range. I'm not even sure those quantities would be reasonable if they were using hexamine as a complete replacement scavenger. <br /><br /><br />"...There’s hexamine in the field samples..."<br /><br />Curious how the OPCW would only call out pure hexamine, when specifying the halogenated compounds found would have been far more informative and incriminating. Didn't the OPCW test for them at all, or are they saying that they only found pure, unreacted hexamine residue that somehow escaped the liters of HF or HCl being produced in the warhead? In fact, I can't think of any reason they would not preferentially announce finding the expected specific hexamine salts rather than pure, unreacted hexamine. How coincidental for the OPCW that they subsequently reveal a great quantity of unexplained, non-scheduled hexamine in the Syrian declaration. <br /><br />As a loyal tin-foil hat brigade member, I would guess the hexamine is a red herring by the Syrians or OPCW to obfuscate the identity of a non-scheduled, non-lethal calmative or psycho agent or precursor. Benzodiazepines, BZ or some other weponized anticholinergic or GABA agonist compounds would explain for more of the symptoms and fatalities in East Ghouta than 'just' Sarin. That doesn't explain OPCW's hexamine findings in field samples, but I'm not too inclined to make much of their strangely amateurish public report. <br /><br />The Syrian declaration was only a sample of one. I'll hold off pointing my finger at anyone until I see the other half-dozen OTHER parties involved in East Ghouta publish their CW inventory declarations so we can compare them. PavewayIVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17329924099308073556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-33810002759908517822014-04-04T02:43:05.244-07:002014-04-04T02:43:05.244-07:00I could write pages on this (indeed I will at some...I could write pages on this (indeed I will at some point), but here is the basic answer. By both the field evidence and the Syrian regime's admissions, they used a binary process to make Sarin. No two batches made by such a method will ever be truly identical. <br /><br />But there are things we can look at to help guide us here. First of all, when hexamine reacts with HF, it forms a salt. There's no apparent sign of these salts in the field samples. This leads me to believe that the binary Sarin was mixed prior to use on the battlefield, as the salts are easily removed. One expert tells me that they'll likely form a sludge on the bottom of the reactor vessel. <br /><br />So, mixing the isopropyl and DF in a large reaction vessel is not an easy thing. This is not done in the field. It needs to be done in a lab. For the amounts of Sarin for 8/21 we are looking at a factory scale operation. Again, this is a circumstantial indicator, but a strong one. Assad declared large mixing vessels of the correct type in his OPCW declaration. Mixing isopropyl and DF in hundreds of liter quantities isn't something that's going to happen in a shed. Dan Kaszetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240328521199906825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-46584157004662548172014-04-03T12:42:35.938-07:002014-04-03T12:42:35.938-07:00Thank you for the clear explanation and for follow...Thank you for the clear explanation and for following up on your theory. One question that I haven't seen an answer for is whether the sarin samples from the rockets and surrounding environment could be matched to the chemicals that OPCW inspected at sites and are now in the process of being destroyed. Wouldn't the sarin used have unique markers, beyond hexamine, that could provide definitive proof that Syrian government stockpiles were used in Ghouta?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09996104579411570639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-23210337693213169692014-04-03T06:22:19.420-07:002014-04-03T06:22:19.420-07:00Here's my theory:
1. At the global diplomatic...Here's my theory:<br /><br />1. At the global diplomatic level, Assad agrees to join the CWC and give up his weapons.<br />2. This requires a full declaration.<br />3. Order comes from above, from political officials who think Sarin is Sarin and don't know any better, to make a declaration.<br />4. Orders from above in the regime are always faithfully obeyed. Dan Kaszetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240328521199906825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-5743927841535910502014-04-03T06:19:08.736-07:002014-04-03T06:19:08.736-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dan Kaszetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240328521199906825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-74265439981552302252014-04-03T06:15:37.926-07:002014-04-03T06:15:37.926-07:00Why did they admit to having 80 tons of hexamine ?...Why did they admit to having 80 tons of hexamine ? There's no logical reason behind this. Although I agree with the conclusion that the attack was almost certainly perpetrated by Bashar's troops, I don't understand why they would admit to having these chemicals.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05373764003024477499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-54276376996154427152014-04-03T05:30:13.365-07:002014-04-03T05:30:13.365-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03834854082135019151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-8573327144063009082014-04-03T03:54:18.336-07:002014-04-03T03:54:18.336-07:00If anyone needs this article as a PDF it is at htt...If anyone needs this article as a PDF it is at http://strongpointsecurity.co.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Why-Farage-Has-it-All-Wrong.pdf Dan Kaszetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240328521199906825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4871088750473093560.post-40654036926595128072014-04-03T03:44:19.310-07:002014-04-03T03:44:19.310-07:00Thank you for your kind replyThank you for your kind replyDan Kaszetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240328521199906825noreply@blogger.com