Hundreds of Lee Gibling's ICQ Logs Leaked

Following on from the earlier release of Lee Giblings ICQ logs from the time he was working for Mindport and NDS I've now received the complete selection of ICQ logs from that period, taken from his hard drive. 

You can download the new ICQ logs here

Due to the way in which the files were stored in the ICQ folder on the hard drive they've been split into three seperate folders, so in many cases you have 3 copies of a slightly differing ICQ log for each person, so it's worth comparing all the logs for differences.

As identified in the earlier posts the following ICQ numbers belong to the following people:

Avigail Gutman of NDS - 4291479
Martin Gallagher of AIM - 9552119, 50640200, 56660445, 56660605, 63376893, 76873942
Barry Watters of AIM - 26354832
Len Withall of NDS - 61770995

It would be interesting to see if the times Lee Gibling was asked to do something by Ray Adams or Martin Gallagher corresponds with his activities with THOIC members.  Ray Adams emails were partly published by AFR, and all 14k can be found here.

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Lee Gibling Answers Some Questions About THOIC and NDS

Recently Lee Gibling has been in contact with me, and offered to fill in some of the gaps in the earlier investigation of his ICQ logs and Ray Adams' emails.  As I posted earlier, they showed that Lee Gibling worked for a company called AIM who were working on behalf of NDS competitor MindPort/Irdeto at the same time as he was working for NDS on the THOIC website project, and Lee offered to filled in some of the details that were missed.  First he talked about the Panorama programme Murdoch's TV Pirates:

Panorama touched on very little; air time is expensive and litigation from unsubstantiated talk can be dangeous.

I placed a lot of trust in Panorama and this was not displaced. All they went with was 100% but yes, a lot of questions remain unanswered.

Some people say that this is a decade old and it is old hat but if you think the mobile hacking is big business then be prepared to see the hat blown off of News Corp

On Digital was only the one company featured in Panorama that through NDS design I brought to their knees, but under their instruction and that includes on-digital we took on anything we wanted which included the whole UK cable industry.

Many thousands of jobs were lost indirectly as a result of actions made from NDS UK what was called Operational Security at Ray Adams headquarters in Maidenhead and it needs to be brought to account.

My respects go to Milly Dowler family.

He added there was much more filmed for the Panorama programme

The Panorama interview was a single "take" with Vivian. Yes, they condensed the programme to 30 minutes but the interview at one location went well over 2-1/2 hours and covered much that the Producers did not have time to consider as part of the programme. Will there be a Part II aired?  Maybe.

 Then he went on to provide more information about the AIM/MindPort/Irdeto situation:

To set some records straight - afterall many of you have invested much energy into piecing the jigsaw together, Andy Coulthurst is NOT a hacker but a full employee/technician at NDS UK. The other AC that is mentioned in email/ICQ is Andrew Curle who was at the time head of operations at Mindport/Irdeto.

I can also reveal as this is in the public domain albeit not surfaced (surprisingly) that Barry Watters was employed by Sky as a consultant and enjoyed office space at Sky.

Yes, he was seconded to Mindport on a very lucrative retainer, however, I do not believe that Sky knew this. Martin Gallagher of course knew I worked for Ray Adams, as did Barry Watters. I did communicate directly with Andrew Curle and was retained by AIM all of which was known and engineered by Ray Adams. Did NDS Israel (the top chain) know of this arrangement?  Of course they did. It's important to outline that NDS UK operational security had their budget contributions from Sky and Israel plus contributions were made to it by Ray Adam's opposite number in the Pacific Region and Asia which would be Avigail Gutman. Hence the reporting line involved many people although ultimately the buck and call was with Reuven Hasak in Israel. 

And explained how he came into contact with Ray Adams in the first place

Contact was made with Ray Adams via an Agent (employee) meeting at my home in Essex at the time. Thereafter, the same week i was introduced to Ray Adams at his offices in Maidenhead. Bit like visiting Father Christmas at Harrods .

He also gave more information on the subscriptions for THOIC that were discussed in the emails

There was NEVER any monies taken on THOiC - that would have detracted from the whole BDS ethos of using the community as a medium to either attract talented members and/or a complete audience when used to farm out information or media.

Yes, a handful of closed areas where in operation all of which were under control and instruction by NDS personnel who used pseudonyms during their online time on the forum. 

 He went on to pose this question

Why would such a significant operational security department (at great cost) be needed for the UK/Europe regions when the Sky [digital] card itself was not at risk of being compromised?

He also explained the situation with new accusations:

While I was in the UK last week or so I was introduced to Ian Gallagher of the Mail on Sunday. The introduction was made via Max Clifford. We were all set to reveal so much (far more than the Panorama programme), information that I believe will set the record straight once and for all.

The content would have been explosive however, the Mail on Sunday decided they could not follow through. I am not sure ANY newspaper under the current regime would have the balls to print. 

He also mentioned Hairymonster/FR15K

I do know that after all this time, (and I do not take kindly to blanket dismissals from Israel), that Hairy Monster holds some important collaborational evidence that between us working together can deliver a rock solid testimonial to the Leveson Enquiry.

At this present time, my solicitor (Mark Lewis) has not been contacted in respect of tribunal requests. 

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The Leaked ICQ Logs - Summary of What We've Learnt

Following on from the leak of Lee Gibling's ICQ logs where we discovered Lee Gibling worked for MindPort/Irdeto contractor AIM at the same time he was running THOIC for NDS Something Awful forum members Shageletic and Munin have put together an summary of what has been learnt from the leaked logs:

Lee is a good friend of Martin Gallagher, cerainly around the year 2000. The log is full of banter and they seem to have a good overview of the activities they are both involved in across NDS, AIM, Irdeto and Mindport. Lee knows that if NDS found out how closely he worked with AIM he might get into trouble.

Lee has a close working relationship with NDS. He was offered a place on the payroll, along with upgrades to servers and direct cash payments.  One of the logs mentions how he was offered the use of Ray Adam's holiday home for him and his family. He also was directly paid and employed by Barry Watters for most of the period of the logs until he started having increasing issues getting Barry Watters to pay him. He didn't have direct contact with Irdeto/Mindport. All contact seems to have been via Martin and neither wanted Mindport to know of Lee's involvement with THOIC.

Martin was employed by Barry Watters but seemed to spend most of his time interacting with Mindspring. He also was familiar with Adams and NDS but didn't seem to do any jobs for them.

Lee's main job for Barry Watters and Martin seems to have been acting as an IT consultant and general finder of information. This involved flagging up new hacker sites, monitoring the progress of various hacker groups towards a hack and providing samples of hacks and tools, with Lee occasionally purchasing them and being reimbursed by AIM.  Barry and Martin seemed to keep their client ignorant of the exact way they obtained them. They also sought to recruit other hackers

Lee's main job for NDS seemed to be doing odd programming and webmaster jobs and maintaining THOIC. He doesn't discuss many of the particulars of his NDS work with Martin. NDS helped set THOIC for Lee, which benefited from Lee's hacker knowledge, along with aggresively acting against other hacker websites.

Martin's main job seems to be as an information channel for Barry Watters and Mindspring. He traveled to meet hackers and informants. He was also (not very competently) setting up a mirror of major hacker sites on a isolated server for MindPort, with MindPort planning to use it as part of a service is wished to offer it's clients. Presumably this was to help them monitor activity on these sites and to have a local copy of any valuable intel should these vanish or get taken down.

Irdeto/Mindspring seemed to be keen on getting sites taken down. Koos and Kuster seemed to be the internal Irdeto/Mindspring security guys who were involved in that. They were both unpopular with Lee and Martin (and NDS, see the Bonds related e-mails) as they were seen as stirring up the nest and threatening valuable informants. In general, in all the logs Lee and Mertin show no desire to see most of the sites shuttered, they are more interested in observing and exploiting them.

As far as illegality is concernd then THOIC is definitely illegal and the logs show how everyone knew Lee well and that essentially everyone knew his involvement with THOIC. One thing to note is that Lee was saying that "the bosses" were monitoring his webmaster@thoic e-mail address. Something rather difficult to do if they didn't have direct control of the operation.

Nothing blatantly illegal has come up in the logs. That said both Lee and Martin were routinely dealing with criminals and buying their goods. They knew the full identities of many major players and essentially did nothing to curtail their activities. All of this, including the blattantly illegal THOIC, was all done with full knowledge of their respective superiors.

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